Doctors lie?

rosie

Member
I used to have a doctor that kept me on free samples for one prescription for over a year. I don't trust the doctor I have now at all to tell me the truth about anything.
 

Meow

Member
People will complain about everything. That is irrelevant. Doctors are supposed to impartial, logical and reasoning. Their beliefs and morals are not relevant to their job. Sometimes an abortion is the best option for the patient. I wouldn't want my doctor to lie to me about having cancer because they're morally opposed to chemo or radiation therapy.
Sorry I'm the one to ruin this for you. But humans are never impartial; even judges.

It's required that we strive to be for some professions, but ultimately impossible.
 

shaunche

Member
Sorry I'm the one to ruin this for you. But humans are never impartial; even judges.

It's requires that we strive to be for some professions, but ultimately impossible.
Very true - the idea that doctors, judges etc are impartial is naive and defies reality. Doctors will hold biases like everyone else. Doctors usually follow the conventional wisdom when it comes to health and the conventional wisdom is often wrong.
 

Meow

Member
Very true - the idea that doctors, judges etc are impartial is naive and defies reality. Doctors will hold biases like everyone else. Doctors usually follow the conventional wisdom when it comes to health and the conventional wisdom is often wrong.
I should probably add, training in how various drugs work and how to operate medicinal machinery is not the same as being trained to cure/help cure disease. This is why most doctors follow the conventional wisdom, having your own on the matter is something that requires a lot of unrelated reading and just plain experience.
 
I have to say this is why I do not trust the medical field at all. I know they have deals with drug companies and other places. I mean one doctor I had was the nursing home doctor and was taking in a ton of money from the nursing homes, but then when they would be seen in the office make more from the billing. Then hospital bills to!
 

shaunche

Member
I have to say this is why I do not trust the medical field at all. I know they have deals with drug companies and other places. I mean one doctor I had was the nursing home doctor and was taking in a ton of money from the nursing homes, but then when they would be seen in the office make more from the billing. Then hospital bills to!
I rarely consult my doctor, I consulted him recently for the first time in years for a constipation related problem. His advice was to take a laxative and drink plenty of water. Masking the problem with drugs and not actually dealing with the cause of the problem. It was a waste of time.
 

writer811

Member
A doctor can have their own opinions or beliefs about what is right and wrong but they should keep that to themselves. I know it's impossible for human beings not to be biased but if someone working at McDonalds refused to serve a customer a big Mac because they think he or she needs to lose weight, they would be fired the same day. Likewise, when a woman needs an abortion, or not even needs, just wants, a doctor should put away his personal beliefs and serve the customer.
 

Meow

Member
A doctor can have their own opinions or beliefs about what is right and wrong but they should keep that to themselves. I know it's impossible for human beings not to be biased but if someone working at McDonalds refused to serve a customer a big Mac because they think he or she needs to lose weight, they would be fired the same day. Likewise, when a woman needs an abortion, or not even needs, just wants, a doctor should put away his personal beliefs and serve the customer.
That's hardly a fair or reasonable comparison. Shelving a personal belief about serving some fast food isn't very difficult to do, or, if you really have huge qualms with the company then just work somewhere else (it's just another minimum wage job).

Doctors can't just choose another job so easily, nor is abortion as trivial as someone eating a Big Mac.

I agree with your overall point that they SHOULD. But it's much harder than you're making it sound and that really isn't a fair comparison.
 

writer811

Member
Then allow me to make another comparison. Say a psychiatrist is also a scientologist and he doesn't use traditional psychiatry because he doesn't believe in it. He instead opts to follow the methods of a science fiction writer, some of which have been proved in the past to be dangerous. Can his patients sue him for not following traditional methods of which there is evidence for? Is a law allowing doctors to lie to a woman, even if her life is in danger, so she won't get an abortion any more reasonable?
 

Meow

Member
Then allow me to make another comparison. Say a psychiatrist is also a scientologist and he doesn't use traditional psychiatry because he doesn't believe in it. He instead opts to follow the methods of a science fiction writer, some of which have been proved in the past to be dangerous. Can his patients sue him for not following traditional methods of which there is evidence for? Is a law allowing doctors to lie to a woman, even if her life is in danger, so she won't get an abortion any more reasonable?
Then you're free to go to another psychiatrist who uses the traditional methods. If you don't do the research on your own and blindly trust the psychiatrist using the odd methods then you're just as much (if not more) to blame than he is.

I'm not, nor ever did say doctors should be allowed to lie to their patients. I said the law makes sense because in the catholic dominant country that is America most people are firmly against abortion. Thus, allowing doctors to openly encourage it would bring in numerous complaints, protests and drama that neither the government nor the people working in healthcare need. Does it suck? Yes. Is it wrong? I'd say yes. Do I see why they do it? Yup.

Asking someone to completely separate themselves from their emotions and beliefs is even more unreasonable than any law about lying. Why? Because it's impossible to do.
 

Esperahol

Active Member
Then allow me to make another comparison. Say a psychiatrist is also a scientologist and he doesn't use traditional psychiatry because he doesn't believe in it. He instead opts to follow the methods of a science fiction writer, some of which have been proved in the past to be dangerous. Can his patients sue him for not following traditional methods of which there is evidence for? Is a law allowing doctors to lie to a woman, even if her life is in danger, so she won't get an abortion any more reasonable?
I have no idea where you are coming from. No one says its okay to force a woman to have a child if it will hurt or kill her. The common exceptions to prohibiting abortion are: danger to mother's life, rape, and incest. In the case of a woman being in danger and being denied an abortion the doctor can be held liable - if doctors are looking out for themselves then should this be a problem for them? Further if a patient did die that would be considered malpratice and any number of actions could be taken against him or her. Who is really going to court that?

Further, if you are incapable of getting a second opinion or looking for a different doctor, that is your fault and you are going to suffer the consequences. You don't have to stick with a nutjob or crook if you honestly feel like you need better or that your health is at risk.
 
I think that medicine has changed soooo much even in the last ten years.. doctors are overwhelmed with people who refuse to take responsibility for their health...all the red tape and Obama cuts to Medicare. Insurance companies that refuse to pay uninsured individuals that refuse to pay...entitlement in other words

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Jatelo2

Member
There was a survey done recently that indicated 2/5's of all doctors do not tell patients if they have a relationship with a drug company. Over half of doctors do not let on how serious a patients condition is and 1/3 did not share when they had made serious medical errors. This is very scary news. You can read the whole article here.
As a Medic I would say that there is nothing scary here. Most of the time there are better reasons for the anomalies you have reported above. But this is not to justify lying to patients and anyone for that matter!
 

writer811

Member
I have no idea where you are coming from. No one says its okay to force a woman to have a child if it will hurt or kill her. The common exceptions to prohibiting abortion are: danger to mother's life, rape, and incest. In the case of a woman being in danger and being denied an abortion the doctor can be held liable - if doctors are looking out for themselves then should this be a problem for them? Further if a patient did die that would be considered malpratice and any number of actions could be taken against him or her. Who is really going to court that?

Further, if you are incapable of getting a second opinion or looking for a different doctor, that is your fault and you are going to suffer the consequences. You don't have to stick with a nutjob or crook if you honestly feel like you need better or that your health is at risk.
Actually there are multiple states now that are trying to ban abortions altogether, even in cases of rape, incest and lifethreatening pregnancies. There are also states that are trying to make it legal for doctors to lie to women seeking an abortion, again even if it's life-threatening, to dissuade them from abortions. That is why I'm so vehement about this. I've been following it for months and cannot believe the arrogance of these people. They're more comfortable allowing a rape or incest baby to be born or letting a mother die than allowing her to have an abortion. It infuriates me!
 

ghanashyam

Banned
This is a open secret for everyone to see. When I see my doctors, there are at least 5 medical representative of different companies with the sample drugs and medicines to demonstrate how their new medicines are more powerful (or how the doctor would become richer prescribing their medicines). The doctors get not the cash but benefits like a paid vacation or plane ticket for exotic countries.
 

gar

Member
There was a survey done recently that indicated 2/5's of all doctors do not tell patients if they have a relationship with a drug company. Over half of doctors do not let on how serious a patients condition is and 1/3 did not share when they had made serious medical errors. This is very scary news. You can read the whole article here.
That's just horrible. I remember a movie "Love and Other Drugs" where the actor is a medical representative and that he convinces the doctor to prescribe their products to their clients and replace their competitors product :D
 

Esperahol

Active Member
I think that medicine has changed soooo much even in the last ten years.. doctors are overwhelmed with people who refuse to take responsibility for their health...all the red tape and Obama cuts to Medicare. Insurance companies that refuse to pay uninsured individuals that refuse to pay...entitlement in other words

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I am going to have to discount everything you just said because you just repeated a Republican lie. Obama has not cut funds to Medicare (although the Republicans would love if he did) he just made it harder for doctors and hospitals to act as parasites. Please actually look up the revelent information instead of repeating the same four lies the Republican party is trying to shore up their worthless candidate with.
 

Esperahol

Active Member
Actually there are multiple states now that are trying to ban abortions altogether, even in cases of rape, incest and lifethreatening pregnancies. There are also states that are trying to make it legal for doctors to lie to women seeking an abortion, again even if it's life-threatening, to dissuade them from abortions. That is why I'm so vehement about this. I've been following it for months and cannot believe the arrogance of these people. They're more comfortable allowing a rape or incest baby to be born or letting a mother die than allowing her to have an abortion. It infuriates me!
Ah, but that is not something that comes of doctors. That is something that comes of conservatives and the Republican party. If you are vehement about this then you should be trying to change it with your vote not your distrust of doctors. Ryan Paul or Paul Ryan who is trying to become VP under Romney are all for this changes and in fact were the first to make the suggestion for them. And I think you will find that many of the states making these changes are either headed by a Republican or have a significant faction in power. Also did you know that a bill was passed through the House by the Republican party which would have made it entirely illegal to have abortions or take certain contraceptives.
 

meowcow

Member
That is pretty scary. I hope the government looks into this and finds a better way to regulate the practice. It just isn't amusing to see them play with people's lives like this just because they are more educated. And especially if they are doing it for their own benefit. What is this world coming to when you can't even trust your doctor?
 
I don't think this is major news. Anyone that has ever been to a doctor's office and signed their name with a Levitra pen while reading the Lipitor brochure should have been clued into this a long time ago.
 
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