Doctors lie?

Lena51

Member
I must say you do have to keep an eye on your doctor because they will give you any kind of meds. in order to get you out of the office. I thought they were there to help us with our health but they are there to fill there pockets will dollars only. They could care less about you. They do not even spend enough time with you to find out what your real problem is any more. So why should we trust them. We have to take care of ourselves and that's the only way we are going to be in good health. Listen to the doctor only half of the time, not all the time. You can go to the doctor for one thing and they will tell you a hold different story about why you came and you go home with the same problem that you tried to explain to them. I know, I been done like that, I changed doctors to see if I could get a doctor to listen to what I was saying. I am the one in this body, thank you.
 

Ankh

Member
I bet they don't.
You know I don't think doctors really make that much money,
so I'm sure they have to do something to boost their income.
Maybe take a few bribes from some hot new Pharm Reps...
 

shaunche

Member
Doctors adopt the conventional wisdom on health and nutrition the conventional wisdom on health especially, it totally wrong. I have a friend who visited the doctor to tell him she had lost 30 lbs of weight, he assumed she had cut out fatty foods like eggs, butter, fatty meat etc and he was shocked when she told him these were the foods she ate every day.
 
I never just accept what my doctor tells me without doing a lot of research on my own as well. And she knows it so she is going to be careful what she tells me.
 

Esperahol

Active Member
Doctors do lie. Chemotherapy 5-year survival rates are very low, less than 3%. Chemotherapy causes more harm than good. How often do you hear about a cancer survivor who develops cancer in another part of the body? This is because chemotherapy causes cancer by ravaging the immune system. Chemotherapy is extremely profitable, this is why the doctors and medical industry promote it.
I don't feel like you understand how cancer works. Cancer relates to the immune system only in that it is part of the system's function to find, tag and remove abnormal cells like those found in cancer. If a person has previously developed cancer then obviously there is a flaw in their system that has nothing to do with treatment options. Nobody is promoting a system that causes cancer and saying they do is not only irresponsible, but counterproductive. Most treatments falling under chemo are constantly being reevaluated and revamped so as to be more targeted rather than the commonly known broadspan application. However, cancer is a very sophisticated disease that requires ever more study so as to fight it.
 

artistry

Member
Well this is very depressing news about the medical profession. Who then can you trust to be hoest anout such thngs. What a shame. Thanks for the article.
 
I believe it. I think that most doctors are in it for the money. I know there are some out there who are honest and we need more of those. The more prescription doctors write out, the more money they will make. It is very sad, but true. You are right, it is scary as well.
 

shaunche

Member
I don't feel like you understand how cancer works. Cancer relates to the immune system only in that it is part of the system's function to find, tag and remove abnormal cells like those found in cancer. If a person has previously developed cancer then obviously there is a flaw in their system that has nothing to do with treatment options. Nobody is promoting a system that causes cancer and saying they do is not only irresponsible, but counterproductive. Most treatments falling under chemo are constantly being reevaluated and revamped so as to be more targeted rather than the commonly known broadspan application. However, cancer is a very sophisticated disease that requires ever more study so as to fight it.
The statistics don't lie, chemotherapy is not a cure for cancer. Chemotherapy will probably kill you before the cancer kills you.

Dr. Alan C. Nixon - “As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incomprehensible to me that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does much, much more harm than good.”

Dr. Charles Mathe, French cancer specialist, “…if I contracted cancer, I would never go to a standard cancer treatment centre. Only cancer victims who live far from such centres have a chance.”
 

Meow

Member
Businesses making money?

Shocking.

Of course every doctor has a personal agenda and most likely gets some extra money from drug companies. That doesn't mean doctors everywhere are a giant conspiracy trying to kill you. The best treatment is always going to be the one you research for yourself personally. The doctor should be more of a second opinion, or the administrator of said treatment.
 

Esperahol

Active Member
The statistics don't lie, chemotherapy is not a cure for cancer. Chemotherapy will probably kill you before the cancer kills you.

Dr. Alan C. Nixon - “As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incomprehensible to me that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does much, much more harm than good.”

Dr. Charles Mathe, French cancer specialist, “…if I contracted cancer, I would never go to a standard cancer treatment centre. Only cancer victims who live far from such centres have a chance.”
You it is very interesting what pops up when I feed these into Google. There is not a legitimate site hosting either of these quotes. The first quote comes from an article so old it is laughable. As though nothing has changed since the late eighties/early ninties. I mean have you actually read up on the new chemo procedures or are you stuck on the old stuff which you may or may not have any real information on either.

The second quote is on some very off-centered sites. It is also from 1989. Why is none of your information current? Why are you bringing up such old and out-dated intel. Further you mentioned a doctor from France as a souce... Have you been to Europe? There are some things that are done very well there and then there are things that are done very poorly. While healthcare in America is ridiculously expensive, it is also quite cutting edge and thus to make your point valid you need to have American quotes that are from at least the last five years. Can you find some of those? I doubt it, because of course the technology improves as the research trickles in.
 

writer811

Member
The medical system is extremely twisted. Doctors don't only withhold information from you but in some cases they flat out lie and can legally get away with it. I know doctors in some states are allowed to lie to female patients if their fetus is likely to grow deformed or miscarry or even if it threatens the mother's life to dissuade them from getting an abortion. And that's only one example. There are many others.
 

Meow

Member
The medical system is extremely twisted. Doctors don't only withhold information from you but in some cases they flat out lie and can legally get away with it. I know doctors in some states are allowed to lie to female patients if their fetus is likely to grow deformed or miscarry or even if it threatens the mother's life to dissuade them from getting an abortion. And that's only one example. There are many others.
Well given the general stance on abortion I'm pretty sure they'd get just as many, if not more complaints if they were allowed to encourage abortion.

Also, power does corrupt, yes. But doctors are still people like you and me. The profession doesn't magically remove all empathy from them or something...
 
Also, power does corrupt, yes. But doctors are still people like you and me. The profession doesn't magically remove all empathy from them or something...
Empathy is not the only human emotion in play. My PCP is also an AIDS specialist in an extremely low income area. She gets all the angry homeless people with more diseases than they know how to keep track of. You should hear the way she gets abused by her patients. Of course, they all blame her for their misfortunes, as illogical as that may be. I can only imagine that there are days when she wants nothing more than to pump them all full of pills, collect her paycheck and chase them all out of her office.
 

Nina

Member
It scares me to think about what doctors as a result of their being in bed with the drug companies. Something has to be going on with all the drug reps out there and doctors pushing certain products. I believe there should be a law against any doctor getting a kickback from a drug company.
 

MellowGuy

New Member
I'm sure many doctors lie for profit but I also believe their education is limited in regards to curing disease. For example, not many doctors are really educated about nutrition and it's role in preventing, treating and reversing diseases. The main focus is always the symptoms and the drugs used to treat the symptoms. Then more drugs to treat the side effects of those drugs and so on.
 

Meow

Member
Empathy is not the only human emotion in play. My PCP is also an AIDS specialist in an extremely low income area. She gets all the angry homeless people with more diseases than they know how to keep track of. You should hear the way she gets abused by her patients. Of course, they all blame her for their misfortunes, as illogical as that may be. I can only imagine that there are days when she wants nothing more than to pump them all full of pills, collect her paycheck and chase them all out of her office.
Oh I don't disagree.

I just find it absurd that everyone is jumping on the "doctors are evil drug lords who want us all to be sick" train of thought. Fact of the matter is, regardless if they're pushing a certain companies agenda or not, healthcare is a good thing and on the whole, doctors are doing MUCH more good than harm.

Like I said, they're human, and, regardless of their pay check, I doubt there are many doctors out there deliberately prescribing medications they know will kill people.
 

chabella

All Lady
I am really starting to reconsider my child's doctor since we have had some minor issues with their office (and a single large issue). It makes me wonder what happened int he medial community to leave such jerks in care of our medial needs.
 

writer811

Member
Well given the general stance on abortion I'm pretty sure they'd get just as many, if not more complaints if they were allowed to encourage abortion.

Also, power does corrupt, yes. But doctors are still people like you and me. The profession doesn't magically remove all empathy from them or something...
People will complain about everything. That is irrelevant. Doctors are supposed to impartial, logical and reasoning. Their beliefs and morals are not relevant to their job. Sometimes an abortion is the best option for the patient. I wouldn't want my doctor to lie to me about having cancer because they're morally opposed to chemo or radiation therapy.
 

beckyv1265

Member
I have worked in health care for 27 years. I have met maybe a handful of doctors that I would let treat my dog. I never place my trust in anyone especialy a doctor. They rarely ever take time to even look at a patient. They rely heavily on their staff to carry out orders that are standard for everyone. I question every treatment and every drug that any of my family are given . Now don't get me wrong I have known a few good ones. Just not very many. The ones that I trust the most usualy are not the wealthiest. lol I know its sad but I want to see what kind of car they drive. If its a flashy vehicle I tend to run. If its a serviceable economic car that will last then I would make a bee line towards them. lol Doctors don't get paid to research a problem. They get paid to "Treat" a disease. That treatment involves prescribing meds and or therapy. It also includes labs and tests that cost you . It keeps the system alive. They don't make any money talking to you to even find out what the issue is thats what their staff is for. Most people only see the doctor a few minutes and then he is off to another so fast. He writes up some notes then can make dinner at the country club later.You never cross his mind again till you have a negative reaction or you go back because what he treated didn't work. Then its more money for them. People need to be informed about their bodies and what is wrong and should be able to help decide the best cource of action. I would also stya away from any doctor that uses standard orders.
 

Esperahol

Active Member
Oh I don't disagree.

I just find it absurd that everyone is jumping on the "doctors are evil drug lords who want us all to be sick" train of thought. Fact of the matter is, regardless if they're pushing a certain companies agenda or not, healthcare is a good thing and on the whole, doctors are doing MUCH more good than harm.

Like I said, they're human, and, regardless of their pay check, I doubt there are many doctors out there deliberately prescribing medications they know will kill people.
I'm not jumping on this wagon, because most people are decent and that includes doctors. They are trying to treat as many people as possible with the limited resources given them. That means they cannot afford to spend all the time in the world on one individual who may have nothing more serious then an infection in need of medication. They instead need that time for the person who hasn't had a period in a year and a half, but has started to experience extreme abdomnial pain recently. Or the person who has loss the ability to see out of their left eye while experiencing the worst headache they've ever had.

If it seems like all they do is pass out pills, that would generally be because that is that treatment for that. As technology advances the goal is to be less and less invasive in treatment. Would you prefer electrotherapy and trepanning? I personally want a script to take for a week and then be done with whatever happens to be wrong.
 
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